Rapper turnt documentarian Ice T waded into the gun control debate–or perhaps lack of debate–with his comments to the UK press yesterday. Speaking to Channel 4 London’s Krishnan Guru-Murthy Ice essentially joined ranks with Mike Huckabee, the NRA and others on the right who have resisted any attempt to make a linkage between lax gun control laws and tragedies like the one which occurred in an Aurora, Colorado movie theatre on the opening night of new Batman epic The Dark Knight Rises. As excerpted on the Meditate blog, Ice energetically denied any link between gun rights and the Colorado shooting:

 

“It’s legal in the United States,” the rapper said. “The right to bear arms is because that’s the last form of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt. It’s to protect yourself from the police.”

“And do you see any link between that and this sort of instance?” Guru-Murthy challenged.

“No. Not really,” Ice-T responded. “If somebody wants to kill people, they don’t need a gun to do it.”

“Makes it easier though, doesn’t it?” the host pushed back.

“Not really. You can strap explosives on your body. They do that all the time.”

As Meditate correctly points out, that argument (as far as it goes) strongly echoes the comments of Alan Gura, the lawyer who argued for the gun-owners in the Supreme Court’s McDonald v. Chicago case:

“No criminal is going to say, I was gonna hold up that liquor store, I was gonna hold up that couple in the park, but I couldn’t get the permit to get the gun, so I’ll give up.”

However, since the essence of Ice’s argument seems to be that we need guns to shoot back at the police (he went on to quote from the “you’re never going to have justice on stolen land” portion of KRS-One‘s “Sound of Da Police“–perhaps a more moderate choice than his own “Cop Killer” anthem with Body Count!) it seems unlikely that he’ll receive much in the way of reciprocation from his fellow gun-rights advocates on the right.

Ice’s position–tied as it is to the tradition of self-defense in the black nationalist mode championed by Malcolm X–seems to complicate the problem, at least as it fits into the usual red-state/blue-state talking points. But I’m going to go ahead and speak for myself and call bullsh*t on him. To say that gun control will deter gun purchases by law-abiding citizens but not the illegal gun trade ignores the reality that lax gun laws make it easy to purchase weapons in some states and transport them to other locales which apparently have a higher supply of people that need to get shot–notably New York and my hometown of Detroit. I’m sure somebody on here will take up the Malcolm/KRS side of the debate so I will let this conversation move to its natural habitat in the comments section, and just add a few choice quotes from other rap-dudes (after the jump) weighing in on the Colorado shootings, for use as you know what.

“Rappers: Please don’t reference the tragedy in Aurora in ya fake gangster songs. That’s considered hoe shit. The OG has spoken. Carry on.” -Bun B via twitter 

“It’s getting a lot of attention. But, I also hope that, as much attention that the media is giving that tragedy, they’re doing the same in New Orleans, and they’re doing the same in New York, and they’re doing the same in Chicago. That’s happening every weekend. Not at the movies; just every weekend. Twenty people are getting killed here. Fifteen people are getting killed here. It’s happening weekly—and you don’t hear about that at all.” - Lupe Fiasco, speaking to JAM’N 94.5.

“He think he in a movie. As I watch him sit in the courtroom…now he dazed. With all the pictures that was leading up to the event he was smiling and doing this and that and now you dazed. Yeah, don’t be dazed now. We need you to be focused when this come down on you.” – Rick Ross, speaking to KMEL.

 

 

 

 

Comments

  • https://twitter.com/phillyguerrilla phillyguerrilla

    Take away the guns, they’ll use knives. Take away the knives, they’ll use sticks. Take away the sticks, they’ll use stones. Take away the stones, they’ll use their hands… Stop the stupidity and get to the root of the problem. GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

    • http://www.okayplayer.com Eddie “STATS”

      speaking as a father sticks is a hell of a lot better than assault rifles and machine pistols. I’ll take sticks. Hands, even better. Seems to me reducing the flow of paramilitary level weapons is a much more realistic way of lessening the bloodshed than wiping out stupidity.

  • Loveland

    People kill people with Guns! If I’m not mistaken. My sixteen year old cousin was murdered by a criminal with a High powered gun,,,that is All!

  • Loveland

    It’s really Hard to take that Ice T seriously when he lets his wife walk around
    With her dress Wide open and her twat and big bolted on basketball boobs
    Totally exposed to the public and he has a son that sees this and the sons friends. Don’t give me the excuse it’s his wife and that shit is sexy! That behavior is purely Fowl and stank.Those poor victims in that movie theatre.
    Our city had 2 victims Jessica and Brent.! Fock that Ole uncle Remus Ice T !

  • Greg

    fuck that all guns should be banned

  • chali bay

    My younger brother was murdered in front of me in January. If I’d had been armed that night shit would have went differently. I don’t advocated senseless violence, but senseless, violent situations do present themselved. When they do I’d rather be able defend me and mine accordingly than go through the pain I’m living through now.

    • http://www.okayplayer.com Eddie “STATS”

      Thats terrible to hear and my heart goes out to you. But with no disrespect to the dead you have to realize that if you had been armed, the most likely outcome is that there would be 2 or 3 people dead instead of 1. The only scenario thats really livable is the one where the murderer is reduced to expressing his anger/hatred with his hands (or a stick, per phillyguerilla) in the first place.

  • Taking Port

    I’d say Ice-T has it right. A political purpose for gun control is not really about stemming the sale of guns but about taking the teeth out of the second ammendments right to bear arms. It then becomes much simpler to enforce unconstitutional edicts and policies on American citizens if they are incapable of forming malitia’s to defend the freedoms granted to them in the constitution. Unfortunately, the average American has taken their “freedom: for granted for so long, they have lost the stomach to stand their ground and protect it. Most believe what ever they are told by the powers to be in Washington and no longer put forth the effort to seek the truth…the real truth on any subject pertaining to the proper running of our country. We as adults have forgotten what all 4 year old know how to do so well…..ask WHY !

  • frank lambs

    When it comes to guns, some (a lot, unfortunately) americans get crazy!
    Let me just say, Mr Ice T, that’s some BULLS**T!
    How easy would that be to find, get, rielaborate, and strap the explosive around someone ELSE’S body? Since when you strap s**t around your body, as you are referring to, you most likely die…
    i’d really like to see how many gangbangers and shooters are ready to die to kill their rivals…
    Happy to live in Italy.

  • You Can’t Be Serious

    I agree with “STATS” & phillyguerilla. I’d much rather see people fight with stick and hands. Of course, this separates the men from the boys. I respect Ice T & Bun B’s veteran status, but both of those guys have put out some ignorant music over the years w/ violent lyrics. See, America is violent . Also brothers can’t even spit a verse without referencing gunplay, even metaphorically. I’ve lost five family members to gun violence & countless others from getting locked up for gun possession. The laws are screwy because they want you to be caught slippin w/ a burner under the seat because prisons are privatized. They dumber you are, the richer they get. I propose that even OKP itself puts a ban on music with gun references….hears crickets…THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT-So I love OKP, but you’re also part of the problem. I know, free speech, blah,blahblah. More like FREE DEATH!
    By the way, Rick Ross, sitcho stankin’ behind down somewhere, ignorant clown. All he does is talk about guns and drugs. Black people love death and destruction and many,many of us are too p*ssy and chickensh*t to call ourselves on the carpet. I love hip hop, but underneath it all, there’s a stench because these brothers keep talking about this violent nonsense. I’m talking to US, you already know the media is violent and destructive. What in god’s name do we have against life itself? Hip Hop, Black people, white people,Latinos,Asians,planet Earth:
    YOU (fu**ers) CAN’T BE SERIOUS!!!!
    Who cares if someone is a real gangster or a fake gangster…Gangsters are scum

    • http://www.okayplayer.com Eddie “STATS”

      *crickets…no seriously, i felt that one needed a more thoughtful reply. I think we agree on gun control (and the prison system) but not necessarily lyrical censorship. Seems to me like NRA types love to blame these kinds of shooting deaths on rap lyrics while doing everything possible to ensure the country is flooded with guns. Lyrics don’t kill people and IMO the main point is to make sure that music has a marketplace where many different types of voices and messages can be heard–which is part of what OKP is all about, providing balance. But ultimately we don’t need less gangster rap (or Batman movies, far as that goes) we need fewer guns & ammo on the street.

      Since we’re talking about Ross, his Nas cameo “Accident Murderers” makes a perfect case in point–gangster rap in tone, all about gunplay, but about as eloquent an argument for gun control as you could ask for. Everybody positions this argument in terms of ‘self-defense’ but the types of weapons this cat had in Colorado (AR-15 assault rifle and rounds upon round sof ammo) are no good for defense (how do you defend against a barrage of stray bullets?) they’re only good for crossfire killings and retaliation in the heat of the moment. anyway thats the change i had in my pocket. carry on.