Kanye West in New Interview: “I Don’t Wish to Be Number One Anymore, I Wish to Be Water”

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Mr. West speaks

Kanye West sat down with legendary interior designer Axel Vervoordt for the Hollywood Reporter. West interviewed Vervoordt; the two touched on a number of topics, ranging from art to fashion to books.

The two most interesting points came when Kanye broke the news that he was working on a philosophy book, called Break the Simulation, and his reaction to his longtime partner Virgil Abloh becoming the head of Louis Vuitton.

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Speaking on his book, Kanye said:

I’ve got this new concept that I’ve been diggin’ into. I’m writing a philosophy book right now called Break the Simulation. And I’ve got this philosophy — or let’s say it’s just a concept because sometimes philosophy sounds too heavy-handed. I’ve got a concept about photographs, and I’m on the fence about photographs — about human beings being obsessed with photographs — because it takes you out of the now and transports you into the past or transports you into the future. It can be used to document, but a lot of times it overtakes [people]. People dwell too much in the memories. People always wanna hear the history of something, which is important, but I think it there’s too much of an importance put on history.

And then there’s the moment where he talked about Abloh. In the interview, Kanye mentioned that he “had been dealing with a very heavy concept” that week. When Vervoordt asked him if it was “good or bad?” Kanye said it was neither. It was the fact that Abloh was going to head Louis Vuitton.

He then said:

Because [Abloh and I] have been fighting to make apparel at a certain price that still has the same credibility and desirability as something at a higher price. … But when they say he was my creative director, that’s incorrect. He was a creative collaborator.

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The entire interview is interesting. It’s full of great quotes from Kanye. At one point he says “A designer told me that my wife was a master of light and I was a master of time. How to use time is equal to being someone who can cut a diamond.” At another point, Kanye says: “I don’t wish to be number one anymore, I wish to be water.”

Vervoordt comes off as interesting, too. (He lives in a castle!) Give the interview ten minutes of your time at Hollywood Reporter.

Source: Hollywood Reporter


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